What If History Happened To Someone Else

I understand the point of the article but reject the premise. However, keep writing your ideas are your ideas.

Great piece. Well written. I hope it makes an impact.

This is a fabulous. thought-provoking article. Anyone living in the States or anywhere else, could read this and clearly see what is happening in Palestine. Makes it incredibly easy to picture youself in the Palestinian shoes. Hard to believe that the whole world, including the UN stand by and keep silent, except for these very few brave people. I hope this gets read far and wide. May just shake some people up. The US actually condones this treatment. and have done so all along.

Brandy

And wouldn't it be really strange if a certain "Buddhist" at the turn of the century, had invented and written about this EXACT grandiose, religious/political movement? And lo and behold, seeming "random, unrelated events" start to unfold throughout the world that start to turn this very same kooky theory into a reality....

"It has fallen to the British Government, as the result of the conquest of Palestine, to have the opportunity and the responsibility of securing for the Jewish race all over the world a home and a centre of national life...

The fiery energies of Dr. Weissman, the leader, for practical purposes, of the Zionist project, backed by many of the most prominent British Jews, and supported by the full authority of Lord Allenby, are all directed to achieving the success of this inspiring movement.

Of course, Palestine is far too small to accomodate more than a fraction of the Jewish race, nor do the majority of national Jews wish to go there. But if, as may well happen, there should be created in our lifetime by the banks of the Jordan a Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown, which might comprise three or four millions of Jews, an event would have occurred in the history of the world which would, from every point of view, be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire." --Winston Churchill [Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920]

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Again, from 1920.... "[to make possible the creation of a Jewish State in Palestine] an event would have occurred in the history of the world which would, from every point of view, be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire."

.... lets see.... it would have to be a really HUGE event... and would have to involve loads and loads of Jewish suffering (real or otherwise) perpetrated by an evil dictator (who we can actually set-up and then defeat) for a sympathetic WORLD to buy into this gigantic farce....

What a coincidence.

"The methods adopted to get the land of Palestine away from the Arabs in the early days of the Zionist invasion were such as will fill the world with indignation once the world is permitted to know what was done.... It staggers the imagination to forecast what will be done in a period of full and unquestioned rule." --Henry Ford, Dearborn Independent, 1921

Wow - I've been formulating exactly the same scenario in an effort to convince the ignorant Americans around me of the Israel Injustice. But I would have used Indians - yes, from India - to claim 1/2 of the United States, just because that was the label applied to Native Americans. East Indians have just as much a claim to the USA as Ashkenazi jews do to Palestine, ie, NONE. The Zionists have very cleverly glossed over the fact that Ashkenazi Jews NEVER had jewish ancestors in palestine, but instead descend from the Kazars of Asia. The real semites and descendants of Jesus family are the very Palestinians they persecute! Genetic testing proves this and, ever so coincidentally, its publication is forbidden in Israel.

The other thing I see missing from your story is any reference to racism and apartheid. Every day in Isreal more palestines are ejected from their homes and property under color of law and immediately handed over to Jews. The illegal settlements are Jews-only housing. Tens of thousands suffer torture and abuse in jail without charges just because they are Palestinian. Zionist racism includes abuse of the blacks and other non-ashkenazi Jews of Israel, so it's not just religious intolerance. Your analogy would work better if it used race instead of religion.

Brilliant. If people looked at the situation logically -- without the emotion of the holocaust and religious affiliations to cloud their judgement -- they would see clearly that in every conceivable way what has happened to the Palestinians is unjust and immoral. But, the whole world seems to think that we must bow and scrape to the Jewish people in an effort to make up for the horrors of the Nazi regime. Enough is enough. Native Americans and African Americans do not get this kind of special treatment -- and they were wronged by America. Why should I, as an American, use my tax dollars to prop up a state that in many ways has become even more evil than the Nazi regime? If Germany wishes to do so in an effort to make reparations to the minority they persecuted, fine. The rest of the world has already paid that debt with the blood of the soldiers who fought to defeat fascism.

And at any rate, allowing the Jewish state to act like the fascist Nazi regime is not justice. We are merely allowing the formerly bullied to become even worse bullies ...

great job E!!!!!!! you should be proud of your writing and how you made it so someone could put themselves in those shoes!! keep writing so more and more people can understand so together we can take a stand. bring your article to work tomorrow so you can show your article to more of our friends there. can't wait to see what you write next.

Excellent article. It didn't take me long to figure out what the story was about. What really pisses me off is the amount of money the U.S. government doles out to Israel every year yet in public they ridicule Israel for their acts of injustice. Have you ever read "A Jewish Defector Warns America" a lecture by Benjamin Freedman. He lays it out in great detail. Thanks for the article.

Your analogy to the US has several errors. There was never a Palestinian state, it was unincorparated area. Jews legally bought land from its owners, usually Turks. Many of the Arabs came to the area seeking jobs after the area began to develop. Arabs instigated fighting because of the increase of Jewish settlers, this brought about the need for partition. This battle continues until today, rather than posing the Arabs as innocent victims.

Firstly, you started on a wrong premise.

Before the 12 centuries worth of Muslim occupation, it was the land of the Jews. Muslims occupied the Jewish land since 636AD all the way up to 1917AD. Before the Palestinians-as-victim spin that started in the mid-1980s, the Muslims and Arabs were proud to say that they are resisting Jewish resistance against Arab Muslim claim on historical Jewish land. Pick up any publication during the time of the 1967 war. Or the 1973 war. Or even the 1948 war. Whether it was Time magazine or an Arab newspaper, the Arabs were Arabs, not "Palestinians". Their objective was to drive out the Jews in order to preserve Muslim occupation in Israel.

Therefore, a better analogy would be like this. What if America was invaded by the Russians in 1800. Then, in the year 2000, after 2 centuries of Russian occupation, there was a world war and Britain won the war. America became a British Mandate territory. The British decided to annex a big chunk of the occupied territories to return to the Americans. The Russians protested.

Initially the British wanted to return the entire America to the Americans, but the Russians were up in arms. Okay, they said, let's partition America into Eastern America and Western America. Give Western America to the Russians, and Eastern America to the Americans.

Still the Russians protested. There were Russians still occupying Eastern America, and they vehemently protested any single square inch being returned to the Americans. Alright then, the British, with the United Nations, decided to split Eastern America further, giving approximately 55% to the Americans and 45% to the Russians.

A war breaks out shortly after that due to Russian aggression. The Americans, though outnumbered, fought back valiantly and managed to defeat the combined might of the Russians from the East, West, North and South. They captured some of the land that was previously partitioned for the Russians, and now Eastern America is 60% American and 40% Russian.

Throughout the next few decades, the Russians repeatedly waged war on what little remained of America. The rest of the world collectively remembers that 60% of Eastern America as "America", and not the entire country that it once was, and condemns America for defending itself, for trying to liberate the rest of the country from centuries of oppressive occupation. The occupying forces on the other hand leveraged on the left-leaning media to portray themselves as the victims although they were the original occupiers, and somehow the American resistance against their occupiers is termed as aggression, state terrorism, apartheid, etc. America's claim to the additional land that they held after their war of independence is portrayed as America's illegal occupation of Russian territory, and the world community never fails to force America to give up those territories to the Russians.

America, as an emasculated, humiliated and oppressed nation from 2 centuries of Russian occupation, had to endure further admonishments and humiliations in the long battle to reclaim back what is rightfully hers. The world condemns America for fighting back, seemingly forgetting that the Russians are the occupiers and not the other way around.

How about that? How would you feel?

What about the people that were terrorized when the Irgun and Stern gangs came? They didn't come for no purpose. The Arabs terrorized the Jews endlessly. They extinguished the most ancient Jewish settlements around "Palestine". There was the incident known as Tarpat, in which Arabs, under incitement from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (the pal of Hitler) eliminated the Jews of Hebron. Jews that have existed there for 3000 years. Why is it that nobody feels sorry for Jews like these? Why doesn't people feel sorry for the illegal occupation of Jewish lands?

About the immigration of Ashkenazis from Europe into Israel - not all of them had no connection with Israel. Some of them were descendants of Israeli/Sephardic Jews. Similarly, I challenge you to prove that the Palestinians of today aren't from neighboring states. Immigration records have proven that present-day Palestinians are mostly descendants of Arab immigrants who came to Palestine/Israel from the 1920s up to 1948. Arafat himself spoke with an Egyptian dialect and had to use a translator in order for the other Palestinian Arabs to comprehend what he's saying, for crying out loud!

Yes, we can certainly agree that the land area has changed rulers/hands many times. Right now it belongs to the Jews. Why is it that we can't oppose its ownership/occupation under the Muslims, but we must oppose its ownership under the Jews?

Israeli oppression of Palestinian people - how about Palestinian terrorism of Israeli civilians? Before the "oppressive" checkpoints and security fences came up, Palestinians were free to move around, but what did they do? They bombed Israeli civilian areas. It's been a tit-for-tat ever since.

Israeli citizens who are not permitted to have the same rights as other Israeli citizens - By this, I suppose you're talking about Israeli Arabs? Okay, they might be treated poorer due to being perceived as security risks, but they can freely criticize the Israeli government. They can build their mosques, yell out their prayers 5 times a day, they can hold government positions and be members of the Knesset.

Compare this to the position of Christians and Jews and other non-Muslims in most Muslim countries. Can a Jew hold a govt position in Saudi Arabia? In Palestine? Can Jews openly build synagogues and practice worship in Egypt? Malaysia? Indonesia?

When you speak about govt policies against others, you're coming from the point of view of how oppressed Muslims are, how vile the Israelis or zionists are. But did you turn around and look the other way, at how Palestinians treat others, at how the Arabs and Muslims treat others. Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, but it's grossly ignorant and hypocritical for pro-Palestinian supporters to always paint Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims as the perpetual victims while Israel and the US govt as villains, when the truth is that Israel and the US have so much more freedom and human rights compared to any of these Muslim states!

I'm not anti-Muslim, I just believe that Islamic countries and their policies pose a greater nuisance to the world at present compared to Israel and the United States.

Contrary to what you think, a majority of the world scrutinizes Israel and condemns it. Out of over 520 UN resolutions ever passed on the Middle East, more than 300 are against Israel. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International seem to make it a hobby out of scrutinizing and condemning Israel, same goes for UNRWA and UNIFIL although paradoxically UNIFIL also reports that Hezbollah has over-run UN camps and are firing rockets into Israel from there.. and yet they're largely against Israel.

I agree that throttling basic daily needs into an entire state as a form of collective punishment is wrong, but Israel is only following statistics. When vehicles (and that includes food transport) were allowed to flow freely, their borders were so porous that terrorists were bombing security checkpoints and civilian areas so regularly. As they started throttling the traffic (which directly affected the delivery of basic goods) and had stricter routines at the checkpoints, the incidences of suicide bombings and attacks on civilian targets dropped dramatically. After a long lull, they decide that it's safe to open up the checkpoints again, and the attacks concomitantly rose. And when they started throttling traffic again, the attacks reduced.

Similarly, before they put up security fences, there were regular suicide bombing attacks and attempted attacks. After they put up the fence, suicide attacks dropped to almost zero.

You should also understand that a large cross-section of Palestinian population, thanks to indoctrination, look forward to Israel's destruction. In contrast, a large cross-section of Israeli population look forward to having lasting peace with their Arab neighbors.

If a Palestinian in Palestine openly criticizes Hamas, Fatah, etc. and say something like "Israel isn't that bad, we should make peace with them", quite likely he'll be lynched by a mob. But in Israel, the Israelis themselves organize protests and demonstrations asking their government to scale back on heavy-handed tactics, and they have the freedom to assemble and make their views heard to the military and the government.

To me, that is a big difference between Palestinian and Israeli societies, and that is a key determinant as to which state wants peace more badly than the other.